It seems maybe that model of Republican femininity, Annie Coulter, jumped the shark last week when she called Democratic presidential (yeah, right. Snort. Guffaw.) candidate John Edwards a faggot. CNN is moving a piece this morning saying three major companies, Verizon, NetBank amd Sallie Mae, have pulled their ads from her website. The line forms to the right to say your good-byes.
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Rat,
You do protest a little too much...but free flowing speech and thought are only reserved for liberals. Demonize those in oposition when you have little substance (true actions of a coward).
How about just giving the short list of those you like? It would be quicker than listing those you hate.
Also, your rantings against Christianity and the things of God in general remind me of Shirley McLain shaking her fist at heaven and proclaiming, "I am god!" Amusing, and scary at the same time.
Friendof:
First, I can't think of anyone I hate. I don't even hate Coulter.... Like I said, I think she's doing a great job of rallying those who oppose the Repiglican agenda
Secondly, please remind me where I "rant[ed] against Christianity and the things of God." ... If you're referring to a suggestion that the Catholic Church is a criminal enterprise that should be prosecuted under the RICO Act, then perhaps you can show us how child rape and sodomy fit into the Christian doctrine... just because one wraps themself in the cloak of Christianity, it doesn't mean they are in fact a Christian.... Pat Robertson claims to be a Christian leader, yet goes on TV to advocate political asassination. Adolf Hitler claimed to be a Christian..... But perhaps you can quote for the us the passages in the bible where Jesus tell his deciples that rape, asassinations and the murder of millions in His name is a good thing.
Dick:
Re: Hitler. I'm not wrong. He claimed that God supported his plan.
Yo- there are more liberals in this here country than you back woods conservatives that still have sex with your 2nd cousins. Although with all the inbreeding you conservative types are doing, it will be easy to spot you with blue skin
hey Wit:
I know Dick's second cousin and she's a babe.
Dick: As it happens I did once vote for a republican. But it was in a primary and as an independent, I was allowed to vote in the republican primary..... The latest polls showed that either Bush or McCain could beat Gore, but that McCain would ravage him by 24 points while Bush would win by 4.5 points.... roughly the margin of error in the poll.... I voted for Bush.
"How are we to refer to sodomites and effeminate men, as honorable and dignified and manly?"
Some people call them priests, or bishops.
"Doesn't "faggot" mean an effeminate male?"
No. According to my dictionary, it is "offensive slang for Homosexual."
"Wouldn't that word be used properly then in describing Roberts?"
Roberts? Who the hell is Roberts? Are you talking about Pat Robertson? ... I don't know him. But even if he is, so what?... What makes you think that anyone is obligated to live to your expectations? Are you so worried about what others may think of your sexual orientation, that you feel compelled to deflect attention to someone else? Are you still in junior high?
Dick:
If you look the word up in the dictionary, you'll see that the preferred spelling for the less politically incorrect term is spelled with a single "g."... as to the affectations, I absolutely agree with you. And despite the effort I've put into my philosophy, those affectations still make my skin crawl.
Nevertheless, Outbackshithouse's claim that heaping public shame on gays will somehow change their behavior makes about as much sense as suggesting that we heap shame on cripples or those afflicted with Down's Syndrome in the expectation it would change whatever it is we find uncomfortable about them.
In the final analysis, they are like they are, and to expect them to change to conform to the expectations and demands of a societal sub-group is no more effective than to expect you or me to change our sexual orientation if the tide of the social norm suddenly favored homosexuality.
"Even if these odd orientations could be traced genetically, your higher moral reasoning capabilities still guide you to understand how attractions to infants, monkeys, other oddities and sexually based relationships is wrong."
You almost had a reasonable argument.... right up until the above quoted paragraph.... From here on in, you hacked it to death with a broadsword of generalities.
First, morality is culturally based and for you to impose your moral definitions and expectations upon everyone else demonstrates an ethnocentric ignorance that some might find laughable.
"I have argued, sexuality can be understood and placed within the higher context and greater good of having children."
I haven't heard you make that argument, but I agree with it... with the added understanding the procreation is not (in humans, at least) the sole, or even primary function of sex, because as a higher order of mammals able to think, reason and form emotional bonds with others, it is bonding mechanism. And while the outcome of that bonding may be procreation, to suggest that is the only reason ignores the issues of casual sex, extramarital sex and homosexual sex - all of which are a bedrock part of the human condition.
FInally, I return to my original point: which is, what business is it of yours that other people whom you have no emotional attachment or claim to, might be doing in private?... I mean, I really understand the homosexual sex might be repulsive or even disgusting to you... it is to me too, but so what. That's why I don't do it. But, truth be told, inflicting pain and humiliation in the sexual arena makes my skin crawl too, but I'm in favor of outlawing it between consenting adults.
nope... don't do the whips and chains and meat cleavers thing either.
The subject of the post. I saw a clip of Coulter saying other offensive things, and she used faggy in one of them, and I wasn’t really offended. There is just something degrading and disgusting about using the term fagot. Not to mention the fact that Edwards is not gay, therefore making the claim ridiculously.
I am not going to belabor my point on this issue as it is pointless to talk to people that have made up their minds, but how many of you actually know gay people? How many of you went to school with gay people?
From an early age we could always spot the different one who was always hanging out with the opposite sex and acting differently. They were ridiculed in the way that children do to those that they do not understand. Now I do not know genes and I know that it cannot be proven one way or another, but why would someone choose to be gay?
I do not know why you can tell that some children are going to be gay and that sexual abuse at a young age can turn others into homosexuals. I do not get it, and as much as I have been exposed to gays, seeing guys together still gives me the willies. (Chicks together is alright with me).
That being said, they are normal people. I cannot explain why I get excited when a beautiful girls walks by, just as they cannot explain why they are excited by someone of the same sex. They are individuals and their character is not affected by their sexuality, just as my character is not affected by how I act behind closed doors.
There is evidence of homosexuality for centuries and centuries. This is not a new phase that kids are going through. This is not something that can be blamed on Liberal Hollywood or Bill Clinton( that was your next argument wasn’t it Richard?). They aren’t going away.
Once we start judging homosexuals by what they do in their bedrooms, where do we go from there? Those that like feet? Those that like fat chicks? Will raises at our jobs in the future be based upon our performance in bed? Where do we stop the intrusion into our private lives? Where does it end?
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The funny thing about you Robertson, Hitler argument was that God actually directed me to start my blog against Little Joey.
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Richard,
I would love a peek into your bedroom with you and your lovely wife. What do you guys do to make your marital relations more exciting? Quoting the Old Testament while in missionary? When you are feeling really crazy do you guys do missionary with your eyes open?
friendof must be Little Joey, as I cannot believe that there is more than one person on the Eastern Shore that does not have a rudimentary grasp of the First Amendment.
"but how many of you actually know gay people? How many of you went to school with gay people?"
Well, I know at least two. But I know they are gay because they make no pretense of being otherwise.... are any of my other friends gay? I don't know, partially because not everyone who is gay, acts gay.... Like we mentioned earlier, a lot of the behavior just seems to be an affectation. That said, I choose my friends, in large part, based upon the content of their character and never upon the content of their pants, or their sexual orientation.
As to if any of my fellow students in high school were gay... well, maybe... I went to a very small alternative school that wqas the precursor of a magnet school, and we were all misfits in our home high schools because we were more interested in inner-directed pursuits than in being like everyone else. We were budding artists and musicians and writers and scientists of one sort or another... so were some gay? Probably.... with a population of just over 300, I'd say it was a safe bet.
"Within this framework of community that we exist, higher human reasoning leads us to seek a healthy community, and divorce, sexual perversity, and one night stands dig out the very foundation of a healthy community."
.... Spoken like a virgin who has lived a very, very boring life.
"My mother always told me, "Never put your willy in another man's rectum." I always thought that was a good bit of advice to follow."
- Your mother felt compelled to tell you this?.... Was there some concern on her part that you were likely to engage in such behavior?
"No fault divorce should be abolished and the law changed to promote the permanence of marriage and loving commitment."
- Actually Rihard, I think there already is a law on the books that would allow us yo have you committed.
"Finally, why does the peasant known only by the pseudonym "idiot!", hold the Good Book to ridicule, and personally attack and accuse me of sexual inadequacies when my wife has complained of none and on the contrary hollers out with affirmation and satisfaction?"
- Richard, she is married to you, so she's damned-near obligated to fake it once in a while, just for the sake of your ego, if nothing else.
Richard,
I like you and I think that you are funny. You are probably one of the only evangelicals that I respect as you are nutty across the board. You arent hypocritical or spotty in your political beliefs, and I like that. You do come off as a little bit of a prick when you try to talk over everybodies head, especially when you dont really have an answer for their pointed questions.
*Why would gay people choose to be gay?*
I, and I am sure you, may slip up and sin every now and then, giving into temptation, but never by sleeping with a man.
Why did Ted Haggard slip up with a gay man despite that fact that he apparently did not believe that gay people were God's way.
Straights go after the opposite sex because it feels right. Homos go after the same because it feels right. They are not lying about who they feel for just to piss off the nutty conservatives, they are chasing pleasure just as everyone else is.
Dont try to talk over my head and do not just say they are sinning. Explain to me, and I already admitted I do not understand gays either, why someone would choose to do something so unnatural and "against nature" while still facing intense redicule.
More importantly, what did your mother say about willies in the rectum of girls?
Give my best to your wife.
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More importantly: Head over to Gunpowder's site and look at the Dred Scott post a couple days ago. Hopefully you have read comments by the guy Thomas something something. The guy is a nut. Please tell him so. He is ignorant as hell, and gives conservatives a bad name. He also has a mancrush on Obama.
Dammit, it would have been so much easier if you would have just said, "because the Bible says so." Then I could have gotten on my high horse and put you in your place.
You make some good points, especially about Haggard. I am not agreeing, but it is plausible that a man that is so fanatically about Jesus, that he would want to stick his penis in another man's ass to prove that he is more powerful.
And you are right that tumultuous childhoods could cause homosexuality. I acknowledged already that I am confused how those who were touched inappropriately engage in homosexual behaviors.
So we have settled our confusion over the extreem cases. They are gay for mental reasons and are acting out.
Now onto the "normal" cases. I know plenty of gays and older gay couples and it is one thing to buck tradition, moors, God, or whatever and live life vacariously. However, it is another all together to propose that they choose to live their life 24 hours a day in rebellion; going against everything that they feel is truly "natural".
They are gay 24 hours a day, and it goes beyond the purely sexual, superficial vinear that is stereotypically attached to homosexuality. They are normal people who do abnormal things in their bedroom. Besides who they choose to sleep with, they are completely normal in every other aspect.
There is that rationale, along with the fact that I, as I am sure you, feel the need to sin and actually give in to temptation every now and then. Not once have I ever had an urge or acted in a sexual manner towards another man. Have you? How does your theory answer to that.
I have an overbearing mother, and that did not turn me gay.
I have met many gay people, that act in many manners, and that were raised in many different households in different circumstances. There are stories of twins growing up with one becomming gay.
I am sure that you have seen the same stories as me about nature v nurture that have been unable to come to a conclusion. The most interesting thing is the statistic that mothers who had many boys, tend to have homosexual sons at the end, suggesting that the lack of testosterone put out at gestation and birth may have an affect on the sexual preference of a child.
I would also ask you to explain the homosexuality that has been found in certain animals.
I would suggest that homosexuality has something to do with the fact that we are the only species who has sex for pleasure and is able to rationalize those actions.
I think this is something that has many confusing facets that deal with the human psyche. You put out some good ideas, but I do not think you truly explain why someone would make life so much harder on themselves by being attracted to another man, and only a many.
It is good in theory, but not in practice. Gays are good people, they truly are. They just want a man, the way that I want a woman. I cant truly explain it, it is just wired in me.
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