Call it gun control if you want. I call it muzzle discipline. .... Hittin' what you're aiming at and not whacking the friendlies while you're doing it. But for those ignorant sons-of-bitches out there who believe that because I support certain issues that they oppose, then I must also support gun control -- as in outlawing private ownership of firearms... I don't. But that's not the end of the statement. Neither do I support unregulated ownership.... here's the bottom line: you want to own a device that's designed to kill things, people included. Okay, then own the respopnsibility for it too. If you get shitfaced, get mad at your wife, your neighbor, or anyone else and decide to cap them, you pay the price. By the same token, if you're stupid, lazy or both and your gun finds its way into the hands of someone who shouldn't have it, there has to be a penalty for that too -- especially if it causes injury or death to someone. If you sell, give, or lend it to someone who is prohibited from using or owning it.... penalty time. And these "costs" and "penalties," that means significant time in the Big House. Mandatory.
And I don't have a problem with registration or pre-sale ballistic fingerprinting either. I mean, you're a law-abiding citizen who bears no evil intent, right? So, what's the problem?
Personally, I don't need the NRA to defend my constitutional rights. ... They're not doing it out the goodness of their heart, anyway. They're doing it to make money. The NRA is a business, not a 501-C3.
As to gun-control reducing crime, that's bullshit. When the citizenry looses the right to own guns, then the only people that will have guns will be those that make the rules. We call that a police state.
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As a matter of fact, I own quite a set of high-end kitchen knives. I keep them razor-sharp and they are at easy reach under normal circumstances. But when Small children come to the house, they are put into a drawer. Common sense.
The difference between my knives and your gun is they are designed for different purposes. ... My knives can be used to kill, whereas your guns are specifically designed to kill. In either case, the owners have a responsibility to keep them away from hands that may inflict injury on themselves or others. But your responsibility is greater because your gun is designed to inflict injury or death on a living being.
Further, you are misinformed if you think ballistic fingerprinting focuses only on the L&G and striations of a fired projectile. I suggest that it is you who does not know ballistic forensics.
Lastly, if ballistic fingerprinting is as useless as you suggest, then why would you object to it being done?... It's no skin off your nose, right?
It all sounds harmless until someone gets killed because the gun was in the criminal's hands..... see how lame that sounds?.... Your version sounds just as stupid.
Killing miscreants in Md. is not fun or easy. First of all the interloper has to be in your dwelling. Not 50% in, or 75% in, but 100% in. Then you can legally shoot him. The ambulance and local law officios will then arrive. The ambulance folks will convey the vermin, if still breathing to the hospital. You will then be grilled by the law officer who will be highly pissed-off that you, Joe Citizen got to drill a felon and they didn't. Your weapon will be confiscated for what they say will be a indefinite period of time, while an investigation is being conducted on you. You will not get it back. Translation: Do not shoot anyone with a high-dollar weapon. You will be asked why you did not first call 911 for assistance. You will be asked if you had been drinking prior to the shooting. Anything you say by the way, could be used against you in a civil suit if the scumbag you shot while defending your home survives. So what's a Md. gunowner to do? First, don't shoot the asshole to wound him. Kill him as in dead. He can't testify if he's dead. Secondly, why call the Man? If the situation has not aroused your neighbors, you do what was known in the "old west" as a "dry gulching".You simply dispose of the offal in a suitable swamp or marsh. (plenty of those hereabouts) Mother Nature can do the rest. You may miss a day of work cleaning up the mess, after all a human contains 10 pints of blood or so. You'll probably feel guilt and drink more for the rest of your life. Nightmares too, lots of them. But you have to remember it's all the fault of the state for limiting your rights. By the way there are only two states that do not NOT guarantee their citizens the right to bear arms in their state contitution. California is one. MARYLAND is the other.
Sorry for that double post Ratturd, but I've stuttered all my life.
Dick:
Your argument is comical in it's ignorance. First, We're talking about reasonable and prudent precautions. I put my knives away because it's the reasonable and prudent thing to do when children are around. I also remove my keys from the ignition and lock my car to prevent theft and unauthorized use. Again, reasonable and prudent.
As to your example of a robber shooting the victim of a robbery.... In fact the robber does recieve a lesser sentence for shooting, rather than killing his victim. One charge is attempted murder (it may be called malicious wounding in this state, I'm not sure of the legal nomenclature) and the other is called Murder in the first degree. One will get you a long prison term and the other will get you a short needle.
River Rat.... I really doubt the big talk about the 600 yard shot.... I also oppose the idea of outlawing CQ guns and automatic weapons, because the founding fathers made clear that at least part of their intent of the Second Amendment was to keep the government in check. And frankly, I think the government presents a greater threat than some wannabe badass on the street. ... Some punk presents me with a threat on the street, well, I can and will address that.... A bunch of power-hungry fascists in DC decide the Constitution is toast and the new rules include secret prisons, torture, being held without charge and an to fair public trials .... then the population is at the mercy of those with the guns, unless they're equally well armed, right?
A 600 yard hit on a sugarbaby is childsplay for nearly any 7mm. magnum.I know guys who will place bets on how closely they can cover a target the size of a quarter at 500 yds with a 7mm. My personal preference is iron sights, although my eyes aren't what they used to be. Any fool can shoot with a scope, shooting out to 6oo yards with iron sights truly shows what you're made of. In spite of Ratturd's socio-lib proclivities he should be applauded for his stance on this issue. I may beg to differ with him on details, but his constitutional grasp of the second amendment is sound.
River Rat: No dope-smoking and gunplay at the same time
No..... weapons and whiskey don't work well either.
....and that's just one of the reason's I gave up hunting many years ago..... people go in the woods with a gun and think they're hunters. Yikes
Well Dick;
I don't want more cops. Hell, I don't even want most of the ones we already have. But I recognise they are a necesary evil, just as you should recognise there are and should be some onerous responsibilities to gun ownership. You're acting likeyou should not have any responsibilities attendant to ownership. But I haven't heard you suggest that those who buy and use explosives, dangerous chemicals, or even automobiles should not be regulated. Yet they too have a potential for a significant risk to public safety.... And their properties are no designed to kill, yours is. I'll say it again: I have no problem with you owning firearms so long as you assume the risks and responsibilities of that ownership. If you won't or can't do that, then your ownership presents an unacceptible risk.
As to your rant about pre-sale ballistic fingerprinting, well, yes I agree all that is correct. But you're talking about a remote exception. Face it, most gun crimes ae committed by people who know only enough to point the weapon and pull the trigger. They are not gunsmiths, and wouldn't spend the money to take a hot weapon to a gunsmith.
alright River Rat, but lemme finish this joint first
SRR,Please note I did not say in my post that my buddies shot that kind of group at 600 yards offhand. That kind of shooting at 600 only comes off a rest. When you asserted that you had disintegrated a melon at 600 yards, I didn't doubt it in the least, but I know darn well you didn't do it shooting offhand either. It can be done, but not by us lesser mortals.
....And my Grateful Dead CD is almost done.... Mr. Charley is playin'
"I take a little powder
And take a little salt
Put it in my shotgun
when I go walkin' out
I won't even take a life
I won't even take a limb
Just unload my shotgun
and take a little skin
I know you're lying through you teeth now. It's never been done from the hood of a Suburban! A Yukon yes. The harmonics on the hood of the Suburban are working against you. I should have known you were yanking my chain!
Symmy:
Yeah, I've read those stories too. But I question their validity. I mean, how dow you qualify something that never happened, let alone do it hundreds or thousands of times?
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